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Cool! thats a neat mace you made

(if you ever need a texture for it mail me )

I hate my fucking piece of shit life

Since I dont know the first thing about creating 3D things...
do you think you could make me a Chainsaw?

OMFG... I'm absolutely amazed with the progess you've made. Well done.

Wait, I'm a little confused... can you have irregular quads or not?

I'll post up if I can get my sword working in Lugaru.

Chainsaw man wrote:Since I dont know the first thing about creating 3D things...
do you think you could make me a Chainsaw?

I think I could. But I won't post something that detailed without fixed texture mapping, sorry.

Makrond wrote: Wait, I'm a little confused... can you have irregular quads or not?

Yes.

I think there's a little confusion here: Quads are faces with 4 vertices. Cubes are die-shaped closed meshes.

You can have irregular quads, cubes, triangles and a lot of other meshes.

The restriction lies in the structure of meshes. For example, cones wouldn't work, neither would icospheres. But with a little ingenuity, you can build working alternatives.

Okay, as of v0.2 of the X2Solid tool, texture mapping works. There are some quirks to it though.

Look:


In a nutshell, the UVMap picture you use in blender needs to be mirrored vertically for Lugaru. Blender has an inverted Y-Axis for UV maps, that's why. I was too lazy to write code that deals with that, it's not really a problem though.

Have fun!

Oh, the 1:1 size for objects is 0.6666, just in case you wondered. At that size, the UV map is correct. At least for cubes.

Why don't cones and icospheres work? They're essentially made of triangles, right?

No sword yet... not sure where the problem is though... it's made entirely of triangles...

Makrond wrote:Why don't cones and icospheres work? They're essentially made of triangles, right?

I think you just answered your own question. From what I've gathered it doesn't seem to work very well with anything other than a bunch of squares made of two triangles. Or something like that.

Makrond wrote:Why don't cones and icospheres work? They're essentially made of triangles, right?

No sword yet... not sure where the problem is though... it's made entirely of triangles...

I don't know why, that's just how it is...

Okay, I'll give you an example of how to make a sword.

Cubes are represented here with an O, the one at (0,0,0) with an X. The (0,0,0) one has to contain (0,0,0).

You start with a cube at (0,0,0) that's made of quads, NOT of triangles: And you extrude the cube's faces bit by bit: So what you do is always just extrude quads.
You can of course translate vertices, rotate faces and whatever, as I said.

When you're done, you convert all quads to triangles, do UV mapping, flip the normals, scale the model up (and apply rotations and scaling), export to .x, mirror your texture vertically, convert the .x to .solid, replace the Sword model and the Sword texture. That should work.

Edit: Forgot a few steps.
Edit: Terminology.

Also, does Lugaru crash with your .solid or is it just invisible? If it's invisible, you either forgot to scale it up or you haven't flipped the normals (or both).

I'd advise you to start with really simple meshes and save them before you triangulate. That helps a lot. So you get a simple mesh working in-game and iterate on it, you know? Instead of making a crazy 1000poly katana for 1 hour just to find out it makes the game crash.

Okay, here is a sword manufacturing tutorial in video form. This is the first take, so it's a little undecided and the mesh is a steaming pile of shit, but you get the idea.

http://rapidshare.com/files/118795232/swordex.avi.html

Edit: Also, I didn't put the handle to (0,0,0), which turned out to be a bad idea.

rudel_ic wrote:Also, does Lugaru crash with your .solid or is it just invisible?

Nope, it crashes when I try to start a level. I'll try it your way and see what I can get.

EDIT: Nope, still crashes. I'm confused.

You're on a PPC, right?
I've got no time right now, but I'll upload a .solid later that you can try out. If it works just fine, we know it's not endianness.

So here's the CrazySword, a mesh for you to test. It's just for testing purposes, so don't mind the bad texture.

Screenshot:


ZIP comment: Get CrazySword.zip at http://lugaruspace.50megs.com/models and follow the above instructions. Please report whether it works for you.

Odd... that works.

I have an interesting question: does the .x exporter triangulate meshes before export? Because if not that may be the problem...

EDIT: Huh... nope, that's not it...

I don't get it... it's made entirely of triangulated quads - even the point at the tip is a very small quad...

Awesome, found a free file hosting site...

Here is the .blend... maybe you can tell me where I went wrong...